{"id":92,"date":"2005-11-23T16:04:46","date_gmt":"2005-11-23T16:04:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mathewingram.com\/work\/index.php\/2005\/11\/23\/is-downloading-theft\/"},"modified":"2005-11-23T16:04:46","modified_gmt":"2005-11-23T16:04:46","slug":"is-downloading-theft","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2005\/11\/23\/is-downloading-theft\/","title":{"rendered":"Is downloading theft?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>While browsing my RSS feeds using the Ajax-y goodness of netvibes, I came across <a href=\"http:\/\/ricksegal.typepad.com\/pmv\/2005\/11\/smart_people_pu.html#comment-11488941\">a post made by Toronto-based venture capitalist Rick Segal<\/a>, who is a partner with J.L. Albright Ventures &#8212; a VC group that has investments in Q9 Networks, Nuvo Networks and FUN Technologies (which just <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theglobeandmail.com\/servlet\/story\/RTGAM.20051122.wxfun1123\/BNStory\/Business\/\">sold control to Liberty Media for $195-million<\/a>). The post was a response to one from Fred Wilson, another VC based in New York City, who was writing about peer-to-peer networks and the music industry and <a href=\"http:\/\/avc.blogs.com\/a_vc\/2005\/11\/online_music_mu.html\">how the two should get together<\/a> in the interest of serving customers such as himself.<\/p>\n<p>Rick took Fred to task for saying that he had no problem with downloading music if he couldn&#8217;t find it somewhere legally, and said this made him a lost customer rather than a thief. Rick said this was disingenuous, however, and used this metaphor: &#8220;The clerk went in the back room, I couldn\u00c3\u00a2\u00e2\u201a\u00ac\u00e2\u201e\u00a2t wait so I took the candy bar but if the guy had been at the counter I would have gladly paid for it.  Extreme example? Yes, but it is to make the point. Let\u00c3\u00a2\u00e2\u201a\u00ac\u00e2\u201e\u00a2s just call it what it is.&#8221; In other words: theft. <\/p>\n<p>But is Rick right? I don&#8217;t think so &#8212; and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dowling_v._United_States\">the U.S. Supreme Court agrees with me.<\/a> In a ruling in 1985, they specifically said that copyright infringement is not the same as theft because the &#8220;thief&#8221; does not &#8220;assume physical control over copyright, nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use.&#8221; In other words, the candy-bar example &#8212; not to mention the entire concept of music &#8220;piracy&#8221; &#8212; tries to take legal concepts that pertain to physical objects and apply them to creative works that have no physical attributes, in the sense that they cannot be &#8220;taken&#8221; the way a candy bar can be taken. <\/p>\n<p>In the case of someone like Fred downloading music, the only loss that can be shown (and then only theoretically) is the loss of a potential customer. Some copyright experts have even argued that downloading should fall under the &#8220;fair use&#8221; provisions of copyright law, the same way listening to the radio does. In any case, I would have to disagree with Rick and argue that Fred is right to say he is more of a lost customer than a thief. A copyright infringer, perhaps, but not a thief.<\/p>\n<div class=\"syndication-links\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>While browsing my RSS feeds using the Ajax-y goodness of netvibes, I came across a post made by Toronto-based venture capitalist Rick Segal, who is a partner with J.L. Albright Ventures &#8212; a VC group that has investments in Q9 Networks, Nuvo Networks and FUN Technologies (which just sold control to Liberty Media for $195-million). &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2005\/11\/23\/is-downloading-theft\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Is downloading theft?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crsspst_to_mathewingramblogwordpresscom":false,"mf2_syndication":[],"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-92","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/92","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=92"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/92\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=92"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=92"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=92"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}