{"id":526,"date":"2006-09-17T12:27:16","date_gmt":"2006-09-17T16:27:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mathewingram.com\/work\/2006\/09\/17\/sanger-sticks-a-fork-in-wikipedia\/"},"modified":"2006-09-17T12:27:16","modified_gmt":"2006-09-17T16:27:16","slug":"sanger-sticks-a-fork-in-wikipedia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2006\/09\/17\/sanger-sticks-a-fork-in-wikipedia\/","title":{"rendered":"Sanger sticks a fork in Wikipedia"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Getting too deeply into the personalities behind the formation of Wikipedia.org is not wise &#8212; much like delving into the history behind the development of RSS or podcasting (see Wikipedia entries on either for more detail, and if you&#8217;re a real glutton for punishment try reading the changelogs) &#8212; but suffice it to say that Larry Sanger played a key role in the development of the &#8220;open source&#8221; encyclopedia, along with the much more famous Jimmy Wales.<\/p>\n<p>In any case, Mr. Sanger announced recently that he has decided to create <a href=\"http:\/\/www.citizendium.org\/essay.html\">his own version<\/a> of Wikipedia, which he calls Citizendium. In open-source software terms, this is known as a &#8220;fork,&#8221; which is what happens when one group working on a project decides they can&#8217;t work with another group. According to Mr. Sanger, the Citizendium will begin with the complete text of what is already in Wikipedia, and then build on it.<\/p>\n<p>The explicit use of experts as &#8220;editors&#8221; (non-experts are to be known as &#8220;authors&#8221;) is one of the key differences between Citizendium and Wikipedia, although how someone qualifies as an expert is not clear (that&#8217;s a problem with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calacanis.com\/2006\/09\/17\/wikipedia-forks\/\">Jason&#8217;s idea<\/a> too). Is a degree in that subject enough, or does it have to be a certain type of degree from a certain calibre of institution? Another key difference is that Citizendium will require the use of real names and email addresses, and there will be enforcers known as &#8220;constables&#8221; who can remove articles or suspend accounts.<\/p>\n<p>Is any of this going to work, and if so will it make what results better or more reliable than Wikipedia? That remains to be seen. While Mr. Sanger&#8217;s proposal sounds interesting, I wonder when I read sentences like this one: &#8220;In time, an effective and fair &#8220;legal&#8221; system will be established.&#8221; How would the United States would have turned out if the Constitution had contained nothing but that single sentence under the discussion of the new republic&#8217;s legal system? Marshall Kirkpatrick has a fairly <a href=\"http:\/\/www.techcrunch.com\/2006\/09\/17\/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia\/\">skeptical take<\/a> on the new venture at TechCrunch.<\/p>\n<p>I have to say I&#8217;m a little surprised that Nick &#8220;Wikipedia is dead&#8221; Carr hasn&#8217;t devoted more space to this new development. While he has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.roughtype.com\/archives\/2006\/09\/sanger_forks_wi.php\">posted about it<\/a>, there is remarkably little about how this proves Wikipedia is flawed or that the entire community-driven knowledge model is a load of bollocks etc., etc. There&#8217;s some <a href=\"http:\/\/slashdot.org\/article.pl?sid=06\/09\/16\/1421226\">discussion<\/a> at Slashdot (with Sanger taking part) and Nick has helpfully linked to the original email thread in which Sanger proposed turning what was then called Nupedia into a wiki <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20030414014355\/http:\/\/www.nupedia.com\/pipermail\/nupedia-l\/2001-January\/000676.html\">back in 2001<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"syndication-links\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Getting too deeply into the personalities behind the formation of Wikipedia.org is not wise &#8212; much like delving into the history behind the development of RSS or podcasting (see Wikipedia entries on either for more detail, and if you&#8217;re a real glutton for punishment try reading the changelogs) &#8212; but suffice it to say that &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2006\/09\/17\/sanger-sticks-a-fork-in-wikipedia\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Sanger sticks a fork in Wikipedia&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crsspst_to_mathewingramblogwordpresscom":false,"mf2_syndication":[],"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-526","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/526","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=526"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/526\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=526"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=526"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=526"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}