{"id":11902,"date":"2016-09-27T03:11:00","date_gmt":"2016-09-27T08:11:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mathewingram.com\/work\/?p=11902"},"modified":"2024-12-05T14:18:25","modified_gmt":"2024-12-05T19:18:25","slug":"why-donald-trumps-lies-during-the-presidential-debate-dont-matter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2016\/09\/27\/why-donald-trumps-lies-during-the-presidential-debate-dont-matter\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Donald Trump\u2019s lies during the presidential debate don\u2019t matter"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"525\" height=\"263\" data-attachment-id=\"269645\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2016\/09\/27\/why-donald-trumps-lies-during-the-presidential-debate-dont-matter\/image-391\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?fit=1200%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1200,600\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?fit=525%2C263&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?resize=525%2C263&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269645\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?resize=1024%2C512&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?resize=300%2C150&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?resize=768%2C384&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/image-2.png?w=1200&amp;ssl=1 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Internet&#8217;s fact-checking engines were working overtime during Monday night&#8217;s presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Even Clinton&#8217;s home page turned into a fact-checking site to debunk the Republican candidate&#8217;s statements. But will it matter to his fan base?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As expected, given his performance so far, the Republican candidate repeatedly stretched the truth, denied making certain statements despite ample evidence to the contrary, and twisted the facts until they broke.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">According to one estimate, Trump <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thestar.com\/news\/world\/2016\/09\/27\/donald-trump-said-34-false-things-at-first-presidential-debate.html\">made more than 34<\/a> comments that were either lies or mis-statements of fact during the debate. Clinton, by comparison, was tagged with four. According to much of the post-debate analysis, Trump also came off looking like a bully.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps:\/\/twitter.com\/paulkrugman\/status\/780678635556593664\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>Note<\/strong>: This was\u00a0originally published\u00a0at Fortune, where I was a senior writer from 2015 to 2017<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Moderator Lester Holt <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/lifestyle\/style\/lester-holt-passed-the-test-of-moderating-the-debate--but-he-sure-didnt-ace-it\/2016\/09\/27\/e0cf4e5e-84a4-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html?postshare=5041474982157018&amp;tid=ss_tw\">got a passing grade<\/a> for his performance from media analysts. He didn&#8217;t do as badly as Matt Lauer did in his back-to-back interviews with Trump and Clinton, where he was criticized for not calling the candidate out on his incorrect statements.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Unlike Lauer, the moderator on Monday night stepped in on several occasions to challenge Trump, including his comments about the &#8220;stop and frisk&#8221; program and his repeated protests that he was not in favor of the Iraq War. Holt pointed out that there is audio evidence that Trump was in favor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Prior to the event, there was considerable debate <a href=\"http:\/\/fortune.com\/2016\/09\/26\/presidential-debate-fact-checking\/\">about whether a moderator should check<\/a> the facts stated by a candidate, or whether they should remain neutral. Chris Wallace, who will be moderating an upcoming debate, said he didn&#8217;t think moderators should check facts because that would be equivalent to expressing an opinion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Holt clearly disagreed. But checking a candidate on his or her statements can also backfire. Some Trump supporters, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politico.com\/story\/2016\/09\/giuliani-trump-debates-228756\">including Rudy Giuliani<\/a>, suggested after the debate that Holt was too aggressive with the candidate and that meant he was unfair. That could give the Trump campaign more ammunition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"525\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">&quot;You can&#39;t have 50\/50 equality when one of the candidates lies more than the other candidate.&quot; &#8211;<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/brianstelter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@brianstelter<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Shoq (@Shoq) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Shoq\/status\/780750773680480256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 27, 2016<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The biggest problem with fact-checking the Republican candidate is that he seems to have a reality-distortion field that applies to his fan base in which even if he tells what appears to be a lie, he is seen as telling some larger truth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the case of the &#8220;stop and frisk&#8221; program, for example, Trump said that it was not unconstitutional and that crime rose after it was stopped. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nydailynews.com\/news\/politics\/donald-trump-stop-and-frisk-facts-totally-wrong-debate-article-1.2807601\">Neither of these statements<\/a> is accurate. A judge ruled the program unconstitutional, and the NYPD said the crime rate actually fell after it ended.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And yet, Giuliani and others <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politico.com\/story\/2016\/09\/giuliani-trump-debates-228756\">maintained following the debate<\/a> that Trump was right and Holt was wrong\u2014even though the evidence clearly supports a claim that the Republican candidate was mistaken.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a similar vein, many of the mainstream media noted that Trump&#8217;s performance was marred by repeated interruptions of Clinton, vague or even incorrect comments about the economy and foreign policy, and an <a href=\"http:\/\/nymag.com\/daily\/intelligencer\/2016\/09\/ranting-bully-donald-trump-came-unglued-in-first-debate.html\">overall bullying attitude<\/a> towards the Democratic candidate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And yet, some voters said that <a href=\"http:\/\/nypost.com\/2016\/09\/26\/the-best-debate-takes-come-from-inside-the-bar\/\">he won them over<\/a> because he pushed Clinton to defend herself on issues like deleting her emails and her support of NAFTA. &#8220;Trump had the upper hand this evening,&#8221; one bar patron said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Much of the mainstream criticism of Trump focused on how <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vox.com\/2016\/9\/26\/13066698\/trump-debate-trade-fact-check\">unprepared<\/a> he was for some of the complex questions about job creation (on which he was <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nycsouthpaw\/status\/780616774815518720\">fact-checked by Ford<\/a> in real time via Twitter and the economy), and yet during CNN&#8217;s post-debate analysis, Trump&#8217;s supporters criticized Clinton for being too prepared. Trump seemed more like &#8220;a regular person&#8221; rather than a mannequin, they said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In almost every case, in other words, Trump supporters seem to be able to find a way to excuse their candidate&#8217;s incorrect statements, forgive his inadequacies, and put a positive spin on his failures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Which raises the question: Does all of the fact-checking really matter? Is it going to change anyone&#8217;s vote that much? Or does it just support the Trump campaign&#8217;s argument that the media and the establishment are out to get their candidate, and that he represents a fresh start for America?<\/p>\n<div class=\"syndication-links\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Internet&#8217;s fact-checking engines were working overtime during Monday night&#8217;s presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Even Clinton&#8217;s home page turned into a fact-checking site to debunk the Republican candidate&#8217;s statements. But will it matter to his fan base? As expected, given his performance so far, the Republican candidate repeatedly stretched the truth, &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/2016\/09\/27\/why-donald-trumps-lies-during-the-presidential-debate-dont-matter\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Why Donald Trump\u2019s lies during the presidential debate don\u2019t matter&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crsspst_to_mathewingramblogwordpresscom":true,"mf2_syndication":[],"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[37],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11902","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fortune"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11902","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11902"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11902\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":269646,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11902\/revisions\/269646"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11902"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11902"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mathewingram.com\/work\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11902"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}